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In all great societies, the Mayans, the Incas, and more recently The Otoman Empire one pivitol shift in the norm lead to the fall of these civilizations. I bring this up with one thing in mind...how will the U.S crumble? Will it ever? Will it be a natural distaster or the wrath of an enemy we underestimated? Post your thoughts and theories.

Crumble? Idk really...I feel that we might go through another Great Depression. The economy is HORRIBLE over here, and EVERY country knows that. And Bush didn't make it any easier. I mean Hillary and Barack said that they have some plans dealing with the deficit, but that'll take so much time to lessen...ugh I don't even wanna think about that. But shall we fall? Its a possibility...

I believe that the US will eventually fall, which is one of the reasons I gave up on the idea of becoming a fighter pilot. I'm not giving up flying, but I'm not going to be held responsible for this country's screw ups when it comes to war. End of story.

honestly, id have to agree with spawn. the way the economy is now, its lookin to me like another depression. but i dont think the US will fall any time soon, we got through one depression already

It's hard to say, since America is historically unique amongst empires since it is not built upon slavery, conquest or religion (despite whatever Christian Patriots would claim), but instead built upon capitalism. In this sense, I don't see America falling unless there was some kind of massive global econmic slump. In effect, if America goes down, it's gonna take the whole world with it.

Which kind of fits with the whole gung-ho nature of America, really. Sort of like the final shootout scene in an old Western Movie.

Ah, the inevitable fall of the world. Interesting theories from the ancient peoples. You all may find my theories, or truths to me, wrong; but I guess opinions are necissary.

Honestly, the whole ancient indians predicting the end of the earth, I think, is bull. The predictions they have made, a four-year-old could have figured out. They were almost common sense. I, believe that no one knows actualy when the world WILL infact end. Only God. I am sorry if some of those out there do not believe, please don't bash on me for it though. And also, I am sorry that some may not believe the truth I hold dear. The proof I have of this God, is simply from the Bible. And, it has said in Revalation how the world will end. That is proof enough for me. Seeing as the Bible was written, mostly before these Mayans came around.

Also, the fall of U.S. will most likely, in my opinion, lead from the different people groups banning against our presidents decisions. It has happened with Bush many times. After the fact of 911, and us entering the war to defend ourselves, there are now people who cannot stand Bush. When I was in D.C. with my grade about a month ago, you could tell...how incredibly sick the world has become. To want to kill our nations leader, is sad. And, to blame him for something that he had nothing to do with, also is pathetic. I think, one day so many people will break apart, and WW3.

I am sorry, also, if I am coming across naive. I would rather believe in going somewhere when I die, and that someone loves me no matter what, than believing in nothing. Totally not directing that towards anyone. (:

He had nothing to do with? You mean, except from actually starting the war?

Meh, I'm not getting into the subject of the war, not here. All I'll say is that this war probably won't have much of an affect on the fall of America, but it is certainly causing a lot of global resentment towards America, but I doubt worldwide dependancy on America will change in the longrun.

America will most likely stand tall for the next few hundred years at least. I suppose you could call that a very vague prophecy.

Just one question. Why did the war start? Do you even remember WHY we went into the war? I'm not starting anything. I'm just saying. The terrorists were the ones who bombed our Twin Towers. I was in NY at the time of 911, and it was not pretty. Yes, I may have been about 40 miles away from the city, but still. So many people died because of them. By going into the war, we were trying to protect ourselves! What if we hadn't? Yes, it may have not been the best decision, but Bush didn't have FULL power anyways. The others in our political party said also, that if we did not enter the war, we would have been putting ourselves up for more attacks. And, if we leave Iraq soon, then everything our soldiers are doing, and the soldiers that have died, will have died for nothing! If you want to put blame on someone, blame those idiotic suicide bombers who bombed the Twin Towers.

I did genuinely want to avoid this discussion, because it's kind of lurching away from the actual subject of the thread, but I'll go along with it anyway in hopes that our posts will probably be deleted.


The war is not against terrorists. It was Al Queda who bombed WTC, not Iraq. There never has been any terrorist activity coming out of Iraq for the last twenty years. There was never [u]any[/i] link found between Iraq and Al Queda.

The justifications for going to war with Iraq kept on changing. First it was because they were linked with Al Queda, which was proven false. Then it was because they had "weapons of mass destruction", which we never found but went to war anyway and still haven't found. The reason they are now using is that it was to get Saddam Hussein out of power, despite the fact that he could of been removed from power twenty years ago and America still did absolutely nothing until now.

Defending yourself against terrorists is one thing, but jumping into war with a country that had nothing to do with attacking you is definitely not. You cannot declare war against a country just because you think it's going to attack you. That's no different than stabbing somebody in the throat because they looked at you funny.

But let's leave this subject and get back on topic - I won't be responding to any more posts about the war unless it's in a seperate thread.

Still, at least it's an interesting subject.

Thank you Chaz, now back to the subject at hand, one question: other than the war what do you think could spell the end for the US of A?

Economy. The economy will fall thru AGAIN cause The Great Depression pt 2 and we'll all have to move to Australia

Alright, to counter your views Spawn, the great depression didnt happen because of a simple low economy, SEVERAL stupid decisions led to that point. the worst our country is heading for rite now is a severe recession. The average recession lasts for about six months, and you never know that you were in one till the economy STARTS to improve. Yes oil is rediculous, but the world wont end on that alone. Dont believe me, ask any economics teacher U know and they'll agree.

Okay, anyone wanna try another theory?

I was being sarcastic Duama lol. I know what cause it. I had AP Government and AP Economics. But I don't think it will fall. I think we might have to lean on a another country, OR just resort back to dictatorship and start reclaiming land. Well ok yea that's a lil extreme lol. But the leaning thing yes. Probably fuse with Canada or something, and teach Frenchies how to stand up for themselves instead of giving up so fast lmao

In light of the above statement, I'm going to change my answer.

The U.S will fall because I will systematically storm through every state and kill every single American who believes that they were the deciding factor in winning World War 2, or that France or England were either weak or cowardly.

This time may come very soon, so watch out.

Oh don't be so sour, it's just a joke. Although we could fuse with Canada and teach Frenchies how to use deodorant LMAO.